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34x10.50x17 LTB on 17x7.5 stock base 1/2 ton chevy wheels

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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:36 pm

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by Gordinho80 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:55 pm

New shoes, Kyle? Not bad...
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by irishboy02 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:01 pm

Nice kyle! Are those the SS skinnys?
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by KE7WOX » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:17 pm

They look like SuperSwampers.

Are those TB 17" spare wheels?
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by Trail X » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:38 pm

Those look awesome Kyle. You're going to hijack the random shot thread!
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:31 pm

34x10.50x17 LTB on 17x7.5 stock base 1/2 ton chevy wheels.

I dont like them. They are taller but not what I want. I think the wider ones are more functional since we need to stay on top of rocks with the lower ground clearance and these seem like they would slide off more easily or not even grab where needed. I like to watch my tires for placement but with them set so far in you cant see where they are.

I'm selling them asap and looking for some 35x12.50 for fitment testing.

they look ok from side and drive pretty good, but not my taste. The truck looks disproportionate to me now. There is minimal vibration with 1 traditionally balanced and 3 with 8 oz airsoft .25gram beads each. They are loud but that is half the fun of swampers. Seems they could tear the pavement off the ground. 1 is new the other 3 have 3000 or less miles.

Hoping to get 600 for the set. They go for 190 a tire if you can even find them. I figure ask 700 and get some money for another set.
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by KE7WOX » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:50 pm

I kinda like the look, but they do look much more narrower than they are (~266mm), a look much more suited for a Land Cruiser. Looks like 12.5 will be slightly larger than the ones you were running, but should work with all the mods you have.


Oh, and rgraboske, looks like you'll have a pro photographer very soon.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:05 pm

the search has begun for 35x1250x15 and 15x8 w 3.75 backspacing
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by johnburgelin » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:10 pm

HARDTRAILZ wrote:There is minimal vibration with 1 traditionally balanced and 3 with 8 oz airsoft .25gram beads each.


Does that work like the dyna beads? If this is thread highjacking could you just pm me Hardtrailz?
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by fishsticks » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:48 pm

HARDTRAILZ wrote:the search has begun for 35x1250x15 and 15x8 w 3.75 backspacing


Bugger... 35s are in my future... but you're gonna beat me to it. :P
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:45 pm

I actually already had the set I want now but never bolted them on, just resold and doubled my money to pay for other mods.
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by Trail X » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:55 am

Too bad you're not keeping the setup. It really gives it a functional appearance compared to your old wheels. Looks more like a working truck.

As fishsticks said on the OS, your wheel bearings, ball joints and steering probably like this setup a lot more too.

Good luck on the 35s... I'll be interested to see how they do on real trails... from what Guy's told us, 35s may be the breaking point of our diffs and half/CV shafts.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:59 pm

I think they look ghetto as shit. They dont feel nearly as stable. Kind of has a tractor look to it. If i actually thought they would function i would leave them on for the offroad park this weekend, but I think my Pro comps are a better all around tire even if a bit smaller in height. I want the width for the extra traction it offers, sometime just a lug or 2 makes all the difference. The 34s would be a ton of fun if you were just goin muddin though.

My balljoints are already shot, so they will be new. the rest needs to be tested. If it breaks it is just more support that for real offroading you need to do sas or serious upgrades. I NEED 35's at least to keep up. I do think that 35s may wear some things more, but they will offer a few advantages that I think makes up for any wear.

hell i dont leave stuff alone long enough to wear out. If i dont break it I upgrade anyway, so 35 wont be any different.
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by Saxis » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:26 pm

Isn't your logic bass-ackwards, here? Hasn't it been said over and over again, including the articles that James posted, that the narrower tire actually DOES provide more traction, unless you need the flotation for mud or sand? Maybe that is your intended use, but your post implies otherwise...

Sounds like you're judging by looks and not by function... :slap:
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by Trail X » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:35 pm

You're talking about these this article? http://www.expeditionswest.com/research ... _rev1.html

I'd agree that narrower is better (to a certain point), but that article is centered on more of the "overlanding" mindset - covering long distances, longevity/durability of parts, not so much "hardcore wheeling"... I think that is what Kyle is trying to distance himself from.

There's no real "correct answer"... tire size and width are things that people can spend hours discussing over a campfire.
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by Saxis » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:51 pm

Exactly... I can see the extra 1/2" of ground clearance coming in handy, but going for the extra 2" width based primarily on looks doesn't seem like the optimal choice either. At least not with the current front-end stretched to its limits... I can't see "hardcore offroading" being much fun with constant breakdowns. Never really know until someone has the balls to try though!
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by irishboy02 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:59 pm

Width is not only better for flotation but also for rock situations too. This can allow you a wider stance to walk up them but also more sidewall bite. For the type of wheelin that Kyle does, wider is definitely a necessity. Plus, the added width gives greater stability with off camber situations and lowers your chance of rollover.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:04 pm

True. To each their own.

I have always seen and been taught that the skinnier tires will dig down and spin easier to clean themselves out and work good for mud until it become too deep and you need flotation. But i grew up and no longer play in the mud. It breaks parts and is not as fun as it was in high school.

My point is that I want 12-15 inches of tread trying to catch any traction available. These 10.50's, but they seem skinnier, just dont have the footprint to grab traction when you may only get a couple lugs to grab. I also like the stability of the wider track and tires. I know a couple places on dropoffs, rocks, ledges, where there has been nothing under half my tire, but the remaining 6 inches of rubber is almost as much traction as many of the skinny tires with all the tread down.

I am looking at conquering tougher obstacles more than overlanding. I love to wheel and camp, but there is too much civilazation around for me to bother with trying to set-up for more than a week or so of camping and even then you are likely to have to pass a town or somewhere to stop when traveling. I read the d.e.d. series and they try to stay off pavement out west and still hit towns and pavement fairly regularly. I have nothing against it, but in modern society there doesnt seem to be much use for it. I camp for days at a time pretty regularly but am almost always in cell service and an extention cord away from power. Hell a decade ago I used to sleep in and live out of my Suburban checking out Florida and the southeast, but did not do a lot of wheeling, just visiting and sight seeing. I made it over a couple weeks without dealing with people, except for gas stations. it is fun to feel self-sufficient and do something different, but now I will choose a campground with a shower and toilet over sleeping on the side of the road.

i use my truck as a daily driver and a weekend warrior. I dont see any real advantage to me for the minimal wear skiny tires would save considering the advantages i would give up in my offroad quests.

You can read and debate the skinny vs wide all the time, but I think skinny looks like shit and wont do what i want. I almost did not finish mounting the wheels and tires up, but figured i should for others that might have a similar idea. My buddy wants them for his yota 4runner and I looked up pics and they fit nicely on them, but they dont seem to fit my needs or the looks of the truck.

Hopefully i did not waste my time and the pics give someone else ideas. I know that my truck felt, drove and looked better before the 34's so it will go back to the others.
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by irishboy02 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:10 pm

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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:32 pm

Sometimes it is hard to tell when posting, but I really just hope my buying the wheels and tires, plus taking the time and minimal money to mount and balance them, then install them on the truck helps give others ideas. i will sell these and make money either way.

Some people they are a perfect fit, but for me they just don't fit my mission or desires.

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