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by oc3273 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:47 pm

i know everyone always wants to go bigger which is eventually the plan but i dont have that kind of cash flow right now. I just picked up used set of marks old 2.5 front and rear lift. I only have 245's that are brand new and i really like them so to get more ground clearnance i was thinkin about only using the front 2.5 spacers and z71's in the back to only get about an inch to an 1.5 in the back. Does this seem ridiculous or would this be fine?

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by v7guy » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:10 pm

Any combination is going to be "fine" but at the end of it all you still don't gain any ground clearance because the tires are what raises the truck and drivetrain further from the ground. Lifting is just to add the ability to put on bigger tires.

You can rock tiny tires if you want, won't hurt anything.
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by djthumper » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:18 pm

v7guy wrote:Any combination is going to be "fine" but at the end of it all you still don't gain any ground clearance because the tires are what raises the truck and drivetrain further from the ground. Lifting is just to add the ability to put on bigger tires.


What? I think you aren't saying something right here... :shoot:
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by oc3273 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:24 pm

this is a suspension lift, adding length to the suspension will in turn lift the whole vehicle further off the ground no matter if the wheels were changed or not. I guess what i really was asking is it ok to split these kits up like i want to and not have any kind of problem.
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by djthumper » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:26 pm

oc3273 wrote:this is a suspension lift, adding length to the suspension will in turn lift the whole vehicle further off the ground no matter if the wheels were changed or not. I guess what i really was asking is it ok to split these kits up like i want to and not have any kind of problem.


Yes you can split the lift up like you are talking. With just the Z71s in the rear it should give you a slight rake.
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by chevycrew » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:28 pm

You guys beat me to it, but ill post it anyway...



v7guy wrote:Any combination is going to be "fine" but at the end of it all you still don't gain any ground clearance because the tires are what raises the truck and drivetrain further from the ground. Lifting is just to add the ability to put on bigger tires.




I agree, to a point...

A lift will gain more clearance under the frame, bumpers, etc, even with the same tire size. Where taller tires will gain clearance under everything including the axles.

The main thing with lifting the front more than the rear is it will look funny. The TB looks like they are nose low, but mine was level along the rocker when stock.
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by oc3273 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:35 pm

thanks guys im goin to try it out this way and see how it looks if it looks terrible than the adapters wheels and tires will just have to come a little earlier.

either way i cant wait to mess around with all the combos ill hopefully have pics and a thread up soon..
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by v7guy » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:47 pm

djthumper wrote:
v7guy wrote:Any combination is going to be "fine" but at the end of it all you still don't gain any ground clearance because the tires are what raises the truck and drivetrain further from the ground. Lifting is just to add the ability to put on bigger tires.


What? I think you aren't saying something right here... :shoot:



Well hell, I was trying to be diplomatic... after all I'm the only lifted up here that I know of. The kinder gentler Bill may have rubbed off on me a bit. It's not like I'm going to say, little tires are going to look gay on any lift after I was worried about 32s lookin retarded with a 3" body lift. I also wasn't really going to say that I'm not going on a trail with you any where cause you're going to get stuck way before me (two inexperienced offroaders, fu(k that). I've read to many stories about guys getting high centered.
The ole frame rails will be higher, but literally half my lift came from tires and 32s are still pretty damn small.

I'm trying to increase the ranks up here, most off the time it seems like I'm the only jerk off from the south that moved up to this shit hole. :facepalm:


There you go my NY brother the hard truth. See what I get for trying to be the nice guy :slap:
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by djthumper » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:58 pm

LOL but you presented it all jacked up man. You were correct if he was speaking of a body lift. But a suspension lift does offer some lift to the frameworks. Our vehicles are fairly capable stock, even a lift with the stock tires offers enough lift to make a difference. I did it for a few months until I had to get tires but couldn't get rims and stuf for a different offset.

Last time I checked the Kinder, Gentler Roadie was for the NOS, not here... :D
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by v7guy » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:33 am

Guilty as charged :friday:
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by navigator » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:35 am

I'm running a lift with basically stock height tires (30 inch 255/70/16) and my suspension lift made a big difference in me not bottoming out in ruts at the beach.

Before the lift when you were crossing ruts and kind of bouncing along you could feel the frame hitting. After the lift I have very little problem at all. Sure the rear axle is the lowest part of a lifted vehicle and bigger tires are the only way to lift the rear axle but there are some advantages of lifting even with smaller tires.

I expect it is a lot easier to drag the rear axle through ruts at the beach than the whole frame. I would also expect the same thing when dealing with mud. If you catch your rear axle on a muddy rut you can likely drag through it. If the whole frame gets stuck on a muddy rut I would imagine you are stuck.

I would expect rocks and hills are different than mud and sand though.

Ideally after you lift you would get the appropriate size tire to fill up your wheel well and still get some decent flex, but that doesn't always happen that way.
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by v7guy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:55 am

so i've given you a hard time, but truthfully I'd put the full lift on with some new shocks if you really intend on getting some spacers and bigger tires in the near future. Hell, if you need a hand and wanted to drive an hour I'd give you a hand... Just buy some alcohol and pizza.
I would really encourage new shocks.
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by oc3273 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:53 pm

Haha thanks for the kind advice man it's ok I can take it. I'm just tryin to feel all this stuff out anyways I did get new ranchos for the rear but I wanted to wait to get some bilsteins for the front
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by Outlaw_99 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:00 am

I only used the front lift from Marks kit because it made my LTZ almost perfectly level according to the tape measure ( mine sat just like a minivan)...I am curious where you guys get the "z71" parts I keep hearing about.. Be easy on me, I'm new...lol ( didn't make a new thread to ask)


Think I found answer in another thread.. Didn't know which vehicle they could come off of and work.. Looking at Yukon ones on EBay...
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by Outlaw_99 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:14 am

Found some nice blackout rims for a change from that link...Good find..
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by djthumper » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:19 am

Sorry J.D. this is the link I meant to send, I am glad you found something in that. http://forums.offroadtb.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=20
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by Outlaw_99 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:36 am

Lol.. That was my fault.. Navigating on iPad.. Found a good link you shared on some rims and posted here somehow...

Excellent info though.. Switched over to phone to browse.. Heh
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