Bug-out Vehicle - supplies, checklists, planning

[bgwolfpack]

Back on track. With this excursion you guys are going on, do the fires play any threat. Are they near? What Roadie, of your grand litany of resources you dawn, will you jamb into the Roadie-mobile for a trip of this length? What do you require others to bring along? UN

[The Roadie]

I'm not at all sure which excursion we're discussing anymore. Normal weekends in Borrego, or the Thanksgiving midweek trip with Johnny?

Anyway, the Roadiemobile pretty much ALWAYS is loaded with 2-4 days worth of stuff. Some people carry what's called a "bug out bag". I have the bug out vehicle. In case of earthquake or a fire we have to flee, it can keep me and Mrs. Roadie safe and semi-comfortable for days. So all I'd really do for a weekend campout is add fresh food and milk to the fridge. SPAM and UHT milk and survival water/food is always in it.

For others, I recommend JD's nice list of rules for trail rides in his TECORE threads (I assume the list is there somewhere...). Main thing is to carry one's OWN food/water/shelter/spare clothes/tire(s), fuses. Have recovery points on the vehicle front and rear. Only one vehicle on a run needs to carry bridging ladders, winch, tire puncture kit, big first aid kit, emergency comm (ham, SPOT beacon) and spare parts. Until we're all licensed hams, a CB or FMRS is the trail comm.

That's an idea for a thread that JD started on the OS - but if you take a look in my build thread, that's (except for food) pretty much the max I carry and it hardly ever goes out much less loaded.

[bgwolfpack]

As for which trip, I was thinking the Thanksgiving midweek. (Sometimes difficult to follow the ramblings)
My intent is to achieve a bug out vehicle as well. I have all the gear for one but am still my head as to the best way to outfit the vehicle and still have room for five. Teebes trailer looks to be the best scenario , but expensive, along with a Mega mule and top tent. Although I question the 200 lbs rating for the roof rack. Any thoughts? Anyone

[The Roadie]

This vehicle just isn't a good one for carrying five people to safety AND supplies too. Any chance you can cut that down to 2?

I think it's time for a separate thread - let me separate this out.

[The Roadie]

Seems we need a discussion place for bug out vehicle stocking.

My supply list is mostly in my build thread. I know JD has some lists as well.

What would you put in a vehicle that you would use to flee a natural disaster and sustain you for a few days. Ignore the zombie threat for now, is my recommendation since we already have a gun thread.

[HARDTRAILZ]

Water
Ammo and Weapon
Flashlight
Beef Jerky

[bgwolfpack]

I’ve been told (by Roadie)that this vehicle won’t support the correct supplies plus a family of five. I’m dealing with this as the heart of the issue though. The research I’m doing regarding this on this site, the os and others points me to accessorizing with a trailer like Teebes and a mega mule style roof rack to alleviate some of the lack of space. My ultimate end vehicle needs to reflect the idea of ‘bug out vehicle’. I haven’t seen any other TVs outfitted like this except for theroadies and somewhat in JamesDs. Any other bright ideas out there?

[bgwolfpack]

Water
Ammo and Weapon
Flashlight
Beef Jerky

Got all that, now where do I fit the wife and kids?

[bgwolfpack]

This vehicle just isn't a good one for carrying five people to safety AND supplies too. Any chance you can cut that down to 2?

I think it's time for a separate thread - let me separate this out.

I've had that thought many times, many,many times.

[Saxis]

Water
Ammo and Weapon
Flashlight
Beef Jerky

Got all that, now where do I fit the wife and kids?

The beer cooler might provide an extra seat...

[The Roadie]

I've had that thought many times, many,many times.

One of the most poignant (and horribly controversial) pair of short stories from when I was growing up in the 50's and reading a lot of science fiction was a post holocaust situation where the protagonist was bugging out with his useless, nagging, parasite of a wife and his outdoorsy, capable, survivalist daughter he had trained just in case of this emergency. He ditched his wife at a gas station on the way, since she would have died anyway due to lack of skills, and carried on surviving with his daughter.

"Lot" (1953) and "Lot's Daughter" (1954), Ward Moore

[HARDTRAILZ]

The biggest downfall for the platform is the electronics and sensors. You need to carry extra electronics. I just picked up an extra PCM. I will hopefully be able to get back to the Suburban for real Bug Out duty. It has minimal electronics, but I dont keep it here in Indy, so without extra electronics for the TB I will be using the Bag to get to it.

[teebes]

Another useful tool to carry additional supplies for a bug-out scenario:




I know Roadie has some pics of his flat tray he uses to haul things around with, too. While these aren't ideal on cumbersome trails due to heavily decreased rear departure angle, it sure can help offset the room inside your vehicle for person(s) of interest


+1 .. Don't forget the ammo

[HARDTRAILZ]

I've had that thought many times, many,many times.

One of the most poignant (and horribly controversial) pair of short stories from when I was growing up in the 50's and reading a lot of science fiction was a post holocaust situation where the protagonist was bugging out with his useless, nagging, parasite of a wife and his outdoorsy, capable, survivalist daughter he had trained just in case of this emergency. He ditched his wife at a gas station on the way, since she would have died anyway due to lack of skills, and carried on surviving with his daughter.

"Lot" (1953) and "Lot's Daughter" (1954), Ward Moore

I just tried to find these books since I read alot of that type of stuff and only found one source for $117. Nothing on ebay or half.com Any place these are available to download or should I just look to the library for help.

[bgwolfpack]

I've had that thought many times, many,many times.

One of the most poignant (and horribly controversial) pair of short stories from when I was growing up in the 50's and reading a lot of science fiction was a post holocaust situation where the protagonist was bugging out with his useless, nagging, parasite of a wife and his outdoorsy, capable, survivalist daughter he had trained just in case of this emergency. He ditched his wife at a gas station on the way, since she would have died anyway due to lack of skills, and carried on surviving with his daughter.

"Lot" (1953) and "Lot's Daughter" (1954), Ward Moore

Wow, you grew up in the 50s?!!
Teebes, thanks that's an idea. I didn't know they came that large. I wonder how many of them I could fit on top of a mega mule. Seriously, I need to find the link on the os where roadie posted a pic of an emergency TV with built in compartment in the rear.

[The Roadie]

I have at least LOT anthologized in this from my collection:


Available cheaply on Amazon. Lot's Daughter must be elsewhere, or I read it in the original F&SF magazine, or in another anthology I can't locate at the moment. Sorry.

[The Roadie]

Wow, you grew up in the 50s?!!

Well, I was born in 52, but was reading SF by the time I was seven. An older cousin collected SF and the magazines and handed them down to me when he was done. And I discovered libraries.

[teebes]

And I discovered libraries.

What are those???



We had a presenter recently at work that was trying to demonstrate how information has progressed over the past few decades. I was shocked that folks only a few years younger than me didn't know what a card catalog was. I mean, I'm not 'that' old... Am i?

[bgwolfpack]

Wow, you grew up in the 50s?!!

Well, I was born in 52, but was reading SF by the time I was seven. An older cousin collected SF and the magazines and handed them down to me when he was done. And I discovered libraries.

Just pitchen ya, your not much older then I am. I did find a couple other ideas.

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But I'm trying to figure out why I would need a level. Should I check tire levels first?

[The Roadie]

I was shocked that folks only a few years younger than me didn't know what a card catalog was. I mean, I'm not 'that' old... Am i?

Nah. You're just plain old. *I'm* THAT old.

Your issue is #86 on this list:

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/07/10 ... now-about/

Audio-Visual Entertainment

1. Inserting a VHS tape into a VCR to watch a movie or to record something.
2. Super-8 movies and cine film of all kinds.
3. Playing music on an audio tape using a personal stereo. See what happens when you give a Walkman to today’s teenager.
4. The number of TV channels being a single digit. I remember it being a massive event when Britain got its fourth channel.
5. Standard-definition, CRT TVs filling up half your living room.
6. Rotary dial televisions with no remote control. You know, the ones where the kids were the remote control.
7. High-speed dubbing.
8. 8-track cartridges.
9. Vinyl records. Even today’s DJs are going laptop or CD.
10. Betamax tapes.
11. MiniDisc.
12. Laserdisc: the LP of DVD.
13. Scanning the radio dial and hearing static between stations. (Digital tuners + HD radio b0rk this concept.)
14. Shortwave radio.
15. 3-D movies meaning red-and-green glasses.
16. Watching TV when the networks say you should. Tivo and Sky+ are slowing killing this one.
17. That there was a time before ‘reality TV.’

Computers and Videogaming

18. Wires. OK, so they’re not gone yet, but it won’t be long
19. The scream of a modem connecting.
20. The buzz of a dot-matrix printer
21. 5- and 3-inch floppies, Zip Discs and countless other forms of data storage. [How about 8" floppies!!???!! The Roadie]
22. Using jumpers to set IRQs.
23. DOS.
24. Terminals accessing the mainframe.
25. Screens being just green (or orange) on black.
26. Tweaking the volume setting on your tape deck to get a computer game to load, and waiting ages for it to actually do it.
27. Daisy chaining your SCSI devices and making sure they’ve all got a different ID.
28. Counting in kilobytes.
29. Wondering if you can afford to buy a RAM upgrade.
30. Blowing the dust out of a NES cartridge in the hopes that it’ll load this time.
31. Turning a PlayStation on its end to try and get a game to load.
32. Joysticks.
33. Having to delete something to make room on your hard drive.
34. Booting your computer off of a floppy disk.
35. Recording a song in a studio.

The Internet

36. NCSA Mosaic.
37. Finding out information from an encyclopedia.
38. Using a road atlas to get from A to B.
39. Doing bank business only when the bank is open.
40. Shopping only during the day, Monday to Saturday.
41. Phone books and Yellow Pages.
42. Newspapers and magazines made from dead trees.
43. Actually being able to get a domain name consisting of real words.
44. Filling out an order form by hand, putting it in an envelope and posting it.
45. Not knowing exactly what all of your friends are doing and thinking at every moment.
46. Carrying on a correspondence with real letters, especially the handwritten kind.
47. Archie searches.
48. Gopher searches.
49. Concatenating and UUDecoding binaries from Usenet.
50. Privacy.
51. The fact that words generally don’t have num8er5 in them.
52. Correct spelling of phrases, rather than TLAs.
53. Waiting several minutes (or even hours!) to download something.
54. The time before botnets/security vulnerabilities due to always-on and always-connected PCs
55. The time before PC networks.
56. When Spam was just a meat product — or even a Monty Python sketch.

Gadgets

57. Typewriters.
58. Putting film in your camera: 35mm may have some life still, but what about APS or disk?
59. Sending that film away to be processed.
60. Having physical prints of photographs come back to you.
61. CB radios.
62. Getting lost. With GPS coming to more and more phones, your location is only a click away.
63. Rotary-dial telephones.
64. Answering machines.
65. Using a stick to point at information on a wallchart
66. Pay phones.
67. Phones with actual bells in them.
68. Fax machines.
69. Vacuum cleaners with bags in them.

Everything Else

70. Taking turns picking a radio station, or selecting a tape, for everyone to listen to during a long drive.
71. Remembering someone’s phone number.
72. Not knowing who was calling you on the phone.
73. Actually going down to a Blockbuster store to rent a movie.
74. Toys actually being suitable for the under-3s.
75. LEGO just being square blocks of various sizes, with the odd wheel, window or door.
76. Waiting for the television-network premiere to watch a movie after its run at the theater.
77. Relying on the 5-minute sport segment on the nightly news for baseball highlights.
78. Neat handwriting.
79. The days before the nanny state.
80. Starbuck being a man.
81. Han shoots first.
82. “Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.” But they’ve already seen episode III, so it’s no big surprise.
83. Kentucky Fried Chicken, as opposed to KFC.
84. Trig tables and log tables.
85. “Don’t know what a slide rule is for …”
86. Finding books in a card catalog at the library.
87. Swimming pools with diving boards.
88. Hershey bars in silver wrappers.
89. Sliding the paper outer wrapper off a Kit-Kat, placing it on the palm of your hand and clapping to make it bang loudly. Then sliding your finger down the silver foil to break off the first finger
90. A Marathon bar (what a Snickers used to be called in Britain).
91. Having to manually unlock a car door.
92. Writing a check.
93. Looking out the window during a long drive.
94. Roller skates, as opposed to blades.
95. Cash.
96. Libraries as a place to get books rather than a place to use the internet.
97. Spending your entire allowance at the arcade in the mall.
98. Omni Magazine
99. A physical dictionary — either for spelling or definitions.
100. When a ‘geek’ and a ‘nerd’ were one and the same.