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COMPLETED: Why do I keep doing this to myself (Ocala N.F.)

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by DirtyBacon04 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:58 pm

Well got the bug again, especially since I can't go to the Turkey day thing. Drove more towards the northern part of Ocala National Forest as I've only ever explored the southern part. At first I was very pleased since the last fires burned up most of the trail blocking brush, and the trails were wide open. Like this:
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My excitement was shortlived, as shortly down the trail, it went to being what ONF was known for... very closed in, unmaintained trails on flat, sandy ground. The kind of trails that make me thing it'd be worth it to Herculine my entire truck. As I went along this particular trail, it had been neglected for quite some time, so there were down trees everywhere. After spending 30 min sweating in the sun on the first one, clearing it with an axe, just to turn the corner and find a bigger obstruction... I decided to change my mission from "trail riding" to "trail re-blazing".
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After I got out of that hell hole of a trail (which i had to turn around and go through it all again because they only closed ONE end of the trail) I found one that opened up a bit, but there was quite a few spots of standing water of which I was cautious about. To my comfort, it was wet sand, not mud, therefore traction was not at risk. This was a river crossing that was kinda deep (skip to 0:26, unless you like seeing me walk away from camera)



Then I discovered this lil' guy hanging out on my high-lift. I named him Larry. No idea what he is... but he is rather large.

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As I'm on pavement, headed to the next trail, I hear a odd scratchy, grindy noise. At first I thought I was dragging a branch or something. Once I didn't see anything dragging, I investigated further and found this...



I got relatively lucky though. There appears to be no damage to the differential other than the outer race bearings. Apparently water is not as good of a lube as we previously thought........... When I popped the drain plug, nothing came out.

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Left the CV out, put back the inner bearing support thingy, the threaded thingy and the rubbery thingy. Capped the hole with the cap to a medicine bottle. (I searched the roadside for while looking for an orange gatorade cap) As always, I keep extra fluids for almost every component of my truck, so I was able to re-fill the diff and drive home. I'm fortunate enough to have my patrol car out front and can use it off duty, so I wont have to drive my rig until i get it fixed.
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by TBYODA » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:45 pm

Nice write up. You need some of those saws on the front like speed racer, LOL. Your spider is a Banana Spider. Quick google, :)
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by RyansTBLS » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:47 pm

Well at least this time when you had an adventure you didn't go alone, though I'm not certain Larry would have been much help if you'd gotten stranded. :poke: Though he could catch you some flies to eat, then you could change your name to DirtyFly. :chef: Which sounds wrong in soooo many ways.... :o
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by The Roadie » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:07 am

My orange Gatorade cap is part of the permanent spares kit. I should have gifted you with one. Sigh...
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by NC_IslandRunner » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:06 am

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Was trying to post a video of same type of spider eating at my friends house, I'll have to do it later from a real computer.
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by JorDaneeKey » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:10 am

And you didn't call....

Glad nothing serious happened!
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by DirtyBacon04 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:12 am

I'd have to be in some serious shit way back in a trail for me to call you guys from Clearwater. Even if I couldn't get this fixed, I was on an old asphalt road, so a tow truck could've got to me, if it came to that. If your referring to me goin wheelin and not calling you to join... I have no excuse and I apologize. I'll actually have a planned out trip soon, and I'll be sure to let yall know
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by The Roadie » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:08 am

DirtyBacon04 wrote:I...I'll be sure to let yall know
HEY. You're in Florida, not Georgia! :slap:
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by JorDaneeKey » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:24 am

The Roadie wrote:
DirtyBacon04 wrote:I...I'll be sure to let yall know
HEY. You're in Florida, not Georgia! :slap:



I'm from NY and still say yall. Lol.


DirtyBacon04 wrote:I'd have to be in some serious shit way back in a trail for me to call you guys from Clearwater. Even if I couldn't get this fixed, I was on an old asphalt road, so a tow truck could've got to me, if it came to that. If your referring to me goin wheelin and not calling you to join... I have no excuse and I apologize. I'll actually have a planned out trip soon, and I'll be sure to let yall know


I was referring to you wheeling and not calling, but it sounds like this was more spur of the moment for you, much like ours can be. So no worries. Hopefully things will dry up later this fall and we can all have some fun.
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by TBYODA » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:01 pm

JorDaneeKey wrote:I'm from NY and still say yall. Lol.
I don't hear others use that saying around my parts...... I thought it was more of a southern thing?
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by Trail X » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:16 pm

Wait, so the adjuster actually came unthreaded and pulled out? Weird. Very weird.
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by DirtyBacon04 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:11 am

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Yea, 42,41, and 54 were still on the cv when I pulled it out. 43 was the damaged bearing and the needle bearings didn't start falling out until I had it out, so I dont think any ended up in the case.
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by v7guy » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:39 am

Getting the lash setup right will be "interesting".


Micheal- I think you keep doing this to yourself so we'll have cool stories to tell about Bacon lol
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by Wahugg » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:14 am

Is that a crack in your front diff or just a heavy scratch through the grime?

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by v7guy » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:03 pm

That's a good eye Wallace, it really does look like a decent crack.
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by DirtyBacon04 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:31 pm

Ah, shit...

Well that would explain the adjuster unthreading itself, huh....

Oh, and thanks for noticing. :wallbash:

Now the question is: What caused the crack? Could it be as simple as lack of fluid = friction = heat = thermocrack? Or would something have had to fragment apart inside, causing a jam of moving parts. I will say though, the front diff was rather hot on this day.
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by Trail X » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:31 pm

Its always pretty hot, its the same temp as the engine oil. With the location of that crack, I'd guess it was some sort of force pushing the pinion away from the diff, so - my guess is a fragment caught in the teeth.

Not sure the crack would lead to your adjuster unthreading. The outer seal is what holds the adjuster in place, not the friction of the adjuster threads. Figure out how your seal came out. I'd bet the cv circlip didn't get seated all the way into the side gear which eventually led to the destruction.
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by Regulator1175 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:42 am

I now have two extra front diffs with 3.73's if your in need.
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by DirtyBacon04 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:08 am

Appreciate the offer, but I'm lookin toward 4.10
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by Trail X » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:18 pm

Lots of gear changing going on lately. I like it.
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