New Lift Design (need some input)

[fishsticks]

Something is amiss here... my pre-body lift hub to fender was around 23.5-24. That's 4" of suspension lift. If you are 22.5" now, that's 2.5-3ish inches of lift...which is right where you should be.

Are your springs terrible or something?

[Opeth]

So overall, the new design is giving 2.5"-3" of lift? How are the angles of your CV shafts and upper ball joints?

[Hpimichael02]

Something is amiss here... my pre-body lift hub to fender was around 23.5-24. That's 4" of suspension lift. If you are 22.5" now, that's 2.5-3ish inches of lift...which is right where you should be.

Are your springs terrible or something?

It would be around 23 as mine was around before the bumper -2-2.5" for the bumper that brings you to 21" put the new design on and It's 22.5" maybe mark can explain what might of happened but those are the numbers I actually have a measure shot on my lift ore bumper pre new design

[Hpimichael02]

I'll take the bumper off tomorrow and I'll give you guys that measurement so no ones confused and we can get a better idea if it lifted it more. But it did go up from 21" to 22.5", but if anything I think it'll be marketed at 2.5-2.75" lift set up like the older set

[markmc]

Something is amiss here... my pre-body lift hub to fender was around 23.5-24. That's 4" of suspension lift. If you are 22.5" now, that's 2.5-3ish inches of lift...which is right where you should be.

Are your springs terrible or something?

It would be around 23 as mine was around before the bumper -2-2.5" for the bumper that brings you to 21" put the new design on and It's 22.5" maybe mark can explain what might of happened but those are the numbers I actually have a measure shot on my lift ore bumper pre new design

Mike
I think your springs have taken a very bad sag due to the extra heavy bumper and winch.
That 1.5" of lift will probably be short lived..imo..
The new springs will cure that issue.

[Hpimichael02]

I'm gonna take the bumper off for a couple weeks due to some mods so we will see if it pops back up a Lil, but the new design did look much thick than the whole old assembly, we can always hope right lol

[HARDTRAILZ]

I'm gonna take the bumper off for a couple weeks due to some mods so we will see if it pops back up a Lil, but the new design did look much thick than the whole old assembly, we can always hope right lol

Take a look at the half shafts. I wouldn't be hoping for too much more lift unless you want extra stress and less margin for safety. My 88s and marks old kit had me stressed too point I wouldn't wheel it til it settled. It dropped 1.5 in or so after couple weeks and some rock crawling at redbird.

[Zero]

So to understand, this n" new in design 3" lift" is only giving 2.5-2.75" of lift? Does that mean the design failed? or is that in the area of lift you were looking to achieve? Currently I have sagging soft springs, and the bds2" lift. So anything to get me up a lil higher would be great. I also wondered if you are using the same poly bushings as the BDS kit? or if this new design gets rid of them entirely.

[Trail X]

I'll take the bumper off tomorrow and I'll give you guys that measurement so no ones confused and we can get a better idea if it lifted it more. But it did go up from 21" to 22.5", but if anything I think it'll be marketed at 2.5-2.75" lift set up like the older set

So wait... you had a 2.5" lift kit before... then you installed the newly designed lift, which gave you 1.5" more lift.

So doesn't this mean we're looking at 4" of total lift from the new kit?

[Opeth]

Some install photos and measurement pictures would be a good thing to have right about now. Before's and after's...

[HARDTRAILZ]

Some install photos and measurement pictures would be a good thing to have right about now. Before's and after's...

Search any lift install and I have measueements in a thread if you look. Install is like any other lift.

[Opeth]

Some install photos and measurement pictures would be a good thing to have right about now. Before's and after's...

Search any lift install and I have measueements in a thread if you look. Install is like any other lift.

I have seen your photos of the old design, not looking for a how-to on suspension install either. I may be a newb by my time length on this site, but I do my research before I do anything. Your build is one I have spent a bit of time looking at, amongst others.

This is more pertaining to the new design. For insistence pictures of the distance from hub center to fender to see if the new lift actually boasted more lift compared to the older design, I thought that was the purpose of the new design amongst deletion of the top plate. The numbers can be different between trucks based on their options, engine, spring sag, spring stiffness, etc so I was hoping for pictures from the install of his before height with truck options, and after photos once the suspension has re-settled. I've been talking to mark about them and just looking for justification of spending a bit more on the new design opposed to the older one.

I'm not trying to be rude or offensive by any means towards anyone, but I am more of a visual person. I'd like to see what something actually did rather than someone's key strokes telling me it did it, thats all.

[Trail X]

I'm not trying to be rude or offensive by any means towards anyone, but I am more of a visual person. I'd like to see what something actually did rather than someone's key strokes telling me it did it, thats all.

Hear, hear!!

[HARDTRAILZ]

When I get my hands on one of the kits I will get pics and measurements...if I have it soon enough I can install and test at badlands on jan 2nd.

Feel free to request what pics and measurements will help ya'll out and will do my best to provide them

[Hpimichael02]

Old design

Sorry it's floor to fender didn't do a hub to fender then

[Hpimichael02]

New design
(pic tomorrow)
New measure is 37.5 is what I measured will redo again but old dewing was around 36.8"

And that's after the winch bumper was on so it's settled with the offloading yesterday lol

[Opeth]

I have most concern with CV half shaft angle. I haven't figured out which springs I have as of yet, but when I do the suspension I will most likely be swapping in 87's or 88's with one of marks lifts. I already have reserved one of the recent runs of his 3" body lifts. This is my daily driver so lay up time has to be kept to a minimal. I can't be eating through half shafts 2-3 times a year, that is probably an extreme case in itself.

I do like to keep to originality, but when it comes to suspension I have learned my lessons when I was younger with tuner cars and take them seriously. ( First suspension were cheap $99 springs on factory stock struts -- Damaged more than I am willing to admit, last suspension before I parted the car out was a $1,700 TEIN Super street coil over set up with an electronic dampening force controller) Please don't be offended Hardtrailz but I am modeling my lift setup after yours, down to the 305's in tires.

When you get the new lift, can you take pictures of the stressed components ( Upper ball joints and half shafts with old lift and new when your finished?) It would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

- Cody

[fishsticks]

FWIW I don't think anyone here has broken a CV shaft due to angle concerns.

Springs/lift choice won't have any effect on the CV maximum angle. Only adding lift to the outside of the assembly (or lengthening the strut rod) will increase maximum angle.

[Hpimichael02]

kyle you got yours yet ???

mark call me when you can

[HARDTRAILZ]

Not yet