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aftermarket rims with stock lug pattern question

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by thatcarguy09 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:06 pm

I was curious if anyone has links or pics of aftermarket wheels with the stock 6x5 lug pattern with the CORRECT BACKSPACING to run larger the 30.5 inch tires?
I cant seem to find much on the web. Id like to not wheelspacers.


any input would be great!
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by BC backroader » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:40 pm

See N7RMK's "Checking my math" post in this very forum, and also google "fuel" wheels. These 2 are the only rims I've heard of that fit our trucks.
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by thatcarguy09 » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:07 pm

ive seen some fuel and ion wheels that will work
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by rScherzer » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:59 pm

Iv spent a few days of digging around for this very same thing. I was looking for a beadlock simulated type wheel in a 16" or a 17" AE wheels made a series 101 in our bolt pattern with a perfect offest and back spacing, after a bit of checking around I found that they had dicontinued that wheel. IMO the 6x5 bolt pattern should have never desinged into our patform. Im going with the 6x5.5 adaptors from Markmc. Its a little exta expense but the wheel configuations are endless.
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by thatcarguy09 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:11 am

rScherzer wrote:Iv spent a few days of digging around for this very same thing. I was looking for a beadlock simulated type wheel in a 16" or a 17" AE wheels made a series 101 in our bolt pattern with a perfect offest and back spacing, after a bit of checking around I found that they had dicontinued that wheel. IMO the 6x5 bolt pattern should have never desinged into our patform. Im going with the 6x5.5 adaptors from Markmc. Its a little exta expense but the wheel configuations are endless.




It does seem wheel adapters are gonna be the only option at this point.
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by navigator » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:38 am

rScherzer wrote:...IMO the 6x5 bolt pattern should have never desinged into our platform. .....

I think we all agree.
I would also venture to say that I don't see how GM saved any money by developing the 8.0 rear for our platform instead of just putting the 8.6 under it.
Take the silverado, suburban, tahoe 8.6 rear and chop a few inches off of each side. Makes too much sense to me.
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by TBYODA » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:19 pm

navigator wrote:
rScherzer wrote:...IMO the 6x5 bolt pattern should have never desinged into our platform. .....

I think we all agree.
I would also venture to say that I don't see how GM saved any money by developing the 8.0 rear for our platform instead of just putting the 8.6 under it.
Take the silverado, suburban, tahoe 8.6 rear and chop a few inches off of each side. Makes too much sense to me.


That is the problem it makes to much sense. A quote that I always seem to have to remember in situations like this. "It does have to make sense it's just how we do it."
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by rScherzer » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:17 pm

I like to joke about the engineering process, when it comes to designing a system or part for a vehicle. It seems to me that there are a few type of "engineers" out in the world today. Type A make a product that is cheap reliable and can be fixed by everyone in the world. Type B looks back at all the failures of a particular product and then reinvents it by changing one thing on it. Type C starts from scratch brings a whole new product to the market that will require millions of $$$ in R&D, tooling and warranty cost. Type C also baffles the lead designer in to using their product. That's where all the odd ball stuff comes from. I like to look back at the old stuff and think about how simple things were. Stuff just worked.
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by Trailblazin Ahead » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:24 pm

TBYODA wrote:
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rScherzer wrote:...IMO the 6x5 bolt pattern should have never desinged into our platform. .....

I think we all agree.
I would also venture to say that I don't see how GM saved any money by developing the 8.0 rear for our platform instead of just putting the 8.6 under it.
Take the silverado, suburban, tahoe 8.6 rear and chop a few inches off of each side. Makes too much sense to me.


That is the problem it makes to much sense. A quote that I always seem to have to remember in situations like this. "It does have to make sense it's just how we do it."


Does trailblazers have a 8.5" rear end. Its a 10 bolt right so a 8.5" rear end with 30 splines
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by TBYODA » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:19 am

Trailblazin Ahead wrote:Does trailblazers have a 8.5" rear end. Its a 10 bolt right so a 8.5" rear end with 30 splines


Yes they both are a 10 bolt but only the Envoy XL 4.2l or Trailblazer 4.2l EXT & the SWB versions of any model (example Saab) with a 5.3L has the 8.5 8.6" everything else has the 8.0". Not sure if any model other than Envoy or TB had a extended version. The SS has a 9.5". IIRC there has been two confirmed stock SWB with 18" rims from factory that have a 8.5 8.6" so you could get lucky.

EDITED: My bad on 8.5" vs 8.6" Thanks Kyle for point that out and.
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by Trailblazin Ahead » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:14 am

Hmmmm. I want to my local off road shop and they looked it up and said it was an 8.5 every single part they looked up for my tb rear end came up as an 8.5 but I'll have to double check again
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by HARDTRAILZ » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:47 am

Yoda...none have an 8.5...


8.0
8.6
9.5

Those are the platforms options stock.
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by Trailblazin Ahead » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:01 pm

Cragar makes some, so does procomp but kind of expensive
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by The Roadie » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:02 pm

Randy's Ring and Pinion combines the GM 10-bolt 8.5" parts with the 8.6" for many things other than the gears themselves, IIRC.
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by Trail X » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:20 pm

rScherzer wrote:I like to joke about the engineering process, when it comes to designing a system or part for a vehicle. It seems to me that there are a few type of "engineers" out in the world today. Type A make a product that is cheap reliable and can be fixed by everyone in the world. Type B looks back at all the failures of a particular product and then reinvents it by changing one thing on it. Type C starts from scratch brings a whole new product to the market that will require millions of $$$ in R&D, tooling and warranty cost. Type C also baffles the lead designer in to using their product. That's where all the odd ball stuff comes from. I like to look back at the old stuff and think about how simple things were. Stuff just worked.

That's quite an interesting generalization.

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by The Roadie » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:59 am

Engineers (I can generalize after 42 years as one) don't usually get out of bed intending to screw up or make bad tradeoffs. Pointy haired management motivated by $$ instead of elegance are the root of all evil.
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by Jrgunn5150 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:24 am

The Roadie wrote:Engineers (I can generalize after 42 years as one) don't usually get out of bed intending to screw up or make bad tradeoffs. Pointy haired management motivated by $$ instead of elegance are the root of all evil.


They never care do they? I just left a meeting where we have decided to do something completely moronic to save... Wait for it.... .07 cents a part. And we make less than 50,000 of these a year. 3500 Bucks saved, to be eaten up in RMA costs and labor, not to mention goodwill lost to our customer, hooray, the company is saved!
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by TBYODA » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:46 pm

Jrgunn5150 wrote:
The Roadie wrote:Engineers (I can generalize after 42 years as one) don't usually get out of bed intending to screw up or make bad tradeoffs. Pointy haired management motivated by $$ instead of elegance are the root of all evil.


They never care do they? I just left a meeting where we have decided to do something completely moronic to save... Wait for it.... .07 cents a part. And we make less than 50,000 of these a year. 3500 Bucks saved, to be eaten up in RMA costs and labor, not to mention goodwill lost to our customer, hooray, the company is saved!


But that's different bucket of money right? Said with sarcasm.
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by TBYODA » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:51 pm

The Roadie wrote:Engineers (I can generalize after 42 years as one) don't usually get out of bed intending to screw up or make bad tradeoffs. Pointy haired management motivated by $$ instead of elegance are the root of all evil.

Well said Sr.! Or unrealistic ship date on a new product line.
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by Trailblazin Ahead » Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:51 pm

Found these pro comps. In the bolt pattern of 6x5 on the site it said wheel figment application trailblazer etc.
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