Offroad Trailblazers and Envoys

Tire pressure thread

Need new shoes? This is the place to discuss.

by james02 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:42 am

Soooo, after spending some time Sunday with some good friends and fellow members there seems to be a bit of debate at to what pressure to run at...What tire size/ street pressure/ trail pressure does everybody run at??
james02
Off-Roader
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed May 15, 2013 8:22 pm
Location: NY
Name: james
Vehicle Year: 2002
Vehicle: GMC Envoy
DriveTrain: 4WD

by bartonmd » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:09 pm

There's been a couple threads on it. It really depends on the specific tire, its load rating (sidewall strength), and it's diameter and width. The more contact patch, the less pressure you need. The harder the sidewall, the more pressure you need to get even contact pressure (and wear) across the tire. If you call the tire mfg and tell them what you're driving and what the tires are (size and specs), they'll (At least BFG will) tell you the pressures to run in them.

For instance, 245/70-17 BFG AT in load range E on my TB run 45PSI, per BFG, and have worn well doing so.

Mike
bartonmd
Moderator
 
Posts: 4469
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:35 am
Location: IN, Indianapolis
Name: Mike
Vehicle Year: 2007
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ G80
Rank: Offroad Rated

by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:24 pm

Run a chalk test for street pressure.

Offroad...I could notice a loss in traction if I stayed above 15 PSI.
I hate to advocate weird chemicals, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone...but
they've always worked for me.
User avatar
HARDTRAILZ
Moderator
 
Posts: 6342
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:49 am
Location: IN, Batesville
Name: Kyle
Vehicle Year: 2006
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Extreme Offroader

by v7guy » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:19 pm

I just ran the pressure that seemed to give an even contact patch on the road. Seems to be working fine, I'm at 45 lbs if i remember right.
build thread

All things in moderation, including moderation.
Some people never go crazy... what truly horrible lives they must lead
User avatar
v7guy
Moderator
 
Posts: 3712
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:17 pm
Location: NY, long island
Name: Jason
Vehicle Year: 2004
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD
Rank: Offroad Rated

by Moots1288 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:50 pm

Im running 27-30 lbs. in my goodyear MT/R's and they have even wear on the tread.
User avatar
Moots1288
Veteran
 
Posts: 1964
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:42 pm
Location: Long island
Name: Moots
Vehicle Year: 2006
Vehicle: GMC Envoy
DriveTrain: 4WD
Rank: Offroad Rated

by navigator » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:36 am

I'm running about 40lbs on my Toyo 10Plys. If I run more than that they ride a little rough.
I haven't run a chalk test yet but after 5 mos they are wearing even.

I usually run my tires at about 18-25 when I air down depending on the situation. I've not needed to air these down yet.
"Please consider a search before posting. Folks on this site PIONEERED functional offroad use of these trucks."
The answer to many common lift questions can be found
here
My Build Thread
User avatar
navigator
Moderator
 
Posts: 4651
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:16 am
Location: NC, Winnabow
Name: Chris
Vehicle Year: 2006
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD
Rank: Trail Ready

by jonbo2002 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:18 am

I run at 38lbs street in my BFG Rugged Terrain. Haven't had to air them down yet but will go down under 15 next time I take the sand trails by my property up north, lol had to back up a couple times and take a different route because I was sinking in the sand and didn't have my winch or anyone to pull me out. Wasn't going to take a chance my first time out there.
jonbo2002
Addict
 
Posts: 509
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:22 am
Location: MI, Springport
Name: Jon
Vehicle Year: 2002
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ G80

by boog2006 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:35 am

Had my first obvious loss of traction due to tire pressure yesterday...on my lawn mower. :D

I mow my ditch with a zero turn Gravely 42". I go up the ditch instead of with the ditch (not recommended but works for me). I noticed that the tire pressure was low when I went to start mowing. Both rear tires were down at 10 psi vs 22 psi rating. So, I increased to the recommended setting and took off. :drive: I almost didn't make it up the ditch a few times due to the traction decrease. Now I have to find the sweet spot as 10 psi was pretty low.

I'm now a believer of airing down. :woot:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. - Abraham Lincoln
Boog2006 Build Thread
User avatar
boog2006
Addict
 
Posts: 688
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:09 pm
Location: KY, Paducah
Name: Brent
Vehicle Year: 2006
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD
Rank: Offroad Rated

by DirtyBacon04 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:51 pm

BFG A/T 285/75 16, i run 35 on road

Offroad: 20 psi in front, 16 psi in rear.
Trans-Continental Trailblazer - 5th Award
Current Count of Transmission Rebuilds: 5.5
***The more you know, the less you need.***
USMC '07-'12
Dirty Bacon's Build
User avatar
DirtyBacon04
Moderator
 
Posts: 3046
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:59 am
Location: FL, Central
Name: Michael
Vehicle Year: 2004
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Expedition Rated

by james02 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:37 am

DirtyBacon04 wrote:BFG A/T 285/75 16, i run 35 on road

Offroad: 20 psi in front, 16 psi in rear.

Interesting....Why the difference??
james02
Off-Roader
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed May 15, 2013 8:22 pm
Location: NY
Name: james
Vehicle Year: 2002
Vehicle: GMC Envoy
DriveTrain: 4WD

by DirtyBacon04 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:53 am

give front and rear axles different traction. Some terrains are better with harder tires, but large hard obstacles usually require lower pressure. this just gives me more universal applications. Always try to think of the 4x4 as a push/pull system (front axle pulling, rear axle pushing). If i'm in an obstacle that would benefit from high tire pressure, at least I have two tires with that pressure, and vice versa.
I read an article in off-road mag about it, and it alll clicked for me.
Trans-Continental Trailblazer - 5th Award
Current Count of Transmission Rebuilds: 5.5
***The more you know, the less you need.***
USMC '07-'12
Dirty Bacon's Build
User avatar
DirtyBacon04
Moderator
 
Posts: 3046
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:59 am
Location: FL, Central
Name: Michael
Vehicle Year: 2004
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Expedition Rated

by TangoBravo » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:13 pm

I run treadwright guard dogs on both my rigs. Seems 43lbs on street is what mine like, off road I run anywhere from 8-12lbs
Scouts Out, Carbon County Search and Rescue/Carbon County volunteer firefighter.

Ams oil products bumper to bumper, Treadwright Guard Dogs, 3 inch suspension lift, 3 inch body lift 1.5" spacers, swaybar trashcan mod, quad headlight mod
User avatar
TangoBravo
Addict
 
Posts: 652
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:57 pm
Location: Hanna Wy
Name: Robert
Vehicle Year: 2004
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD
Rank: Trail Ready

by Moots1288 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:16 pm

TangoBravo wrote:I run treadwright guard dogs on both my rigs. Seems 43lbs on street is what mine like, off road I run anywhere from 8-12lbs
you rock crawling with that 8lbs?
User avatar
Moots1288
Veteran
 
Posts: 1964
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:42 pm
Location: Long island
Name: Moots
Vehicle Year: 2006
Vehicle: GMC Envoy
DriveTrain: 4WD
Rank: Offroad Rated

by SmokeyMcBlazer » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:31 pm

DirtyBacon04 wrote:BFG A/T 285/75 16, i run 35 on road

Offroad: 20 psi in front, 16 psi in rear.


Do you think that the 4lbs difference between the front and rear tires could reduce the diameter of the rears enough to put undue stress on you're 4WD system? I don't think I would be running with two very different air pressures in 4WD for any amount of time.
User avatar
SmokeyMcBlazer
Off-Roader
 
Posts: 201
Joined: Wed May 01, 2013 10:47 am
Location: Toronto, ON. Canada
Name: Rob
Vehicle Year: 2002
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ G80

by ErikSS » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:41 pm

SmokeyMcBlazer wrote:
DirtyBacon04 wrote:BFG A/T 285/75 16, i run 35 on road

Offroad: 20 psi in front, 16 psi in rear.


Do you think that the 4lbs difference between the front and rear tires could reduce the diameter of the rears enough to put undue stress on you're 4WD system? I don't think I would be running with two very different air pressures in 4WD for any amount of time.


I think it depends on the conditions. I go to Silver Lake Sand Dunes. When running in beach sand all day, I reduced my tire presures to 10 in the front and 7 in the rear. I would NOT run it on the road that way. I wouldn't even run it that way on a typical trail... But different offroading calls for different tire pressures.

The more solid the ground your on, the more even you'd want your front and rear pressures.
It's not how fast you go. It's how quick you get there. Lifted TBSS Build
User avatar
ErikSS
Lifer
 
Posts: 2044
Joined: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:23 pm
Location: IL, Flossmoor
Name: Erik
Vehicle Year: 2008
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Limited Slip
Rank: Offroad Rated

by DirtyBacon04 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:12 pm

I think a important factor is weight in the vehicle. If you have an empty cargo area but full front armor, I think you'd want the rear tires lower to help offset the tire deflection/weight ratio.
Trans-Continental Trailblazer - 5th Award
Current Count of Transmission Rebuilds: 5.5
***The more you know, the less you need.***
USMC '07-'12
Dirty Bacon's Build
User avatar
DirtyBacon04
Moderator
 
Posts: 3046
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:59 am
Location: FL, Central
Name: Michael
Vehicle Year: 2004
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Expedition Rated

by Trail X » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:48 pm

SmokeyMcBlazer wrote:Do you think that the 4lbs difference between the front and rear tires could reduce the diameter of the rears enough to put undue stress on you're 4WD system? I don't think I would be running with two very different air pressures in 4WD for any amount of time.


While it does change the effective radius from the center of the wheel to the ground, it does not change the circumference of the tire. So the 4WD system would see no effect.
8-) Build Thread | ExPo Build | YouTube Videos
Not all who wander are lost. -Tolkien
User avatar
Trail X
Founder
 
Posts: 9935
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:22 pm
Location: VA, Roanoke
Name: James Downing
Vehicle Year: 2005
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Expedition Guide

by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:00 pm

JamesDowning wrote:While it does change the effective radius from the center of the wheel to the ground, it does not change the circumference of the tire. So the 4WD system would see no effect.



So my 4x4 will not have issues if I run 40 psi in the front and 10 psi in the rear because the circumference of the tire is the same?
I hate to advocate weird chemicals, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone...but
they've always worked for me.
User avatar
HARDTRAILZ
Moderator
 
Posts: 6342
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:49 am
Location: IN, Batesville
Name: Kyle
Vehicle Year: 2006
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Extreme Offroader

by Trail X » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:18 pm

In theory, your wheel still travels the same distance per rotation no matter the pressure. Now there may be some tread scrubbing and as a result minor rpm differences when such a drastic difference is present, but I do not believe there would be a major drive line bind.
8-) Build Thread | ExPo Build | YouTube Videos
Not all who wander are lost. -Tolkien
User avatar
Trail X
Founder
 
Posts: 9935
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:22 pm
Location: VA, Roanoke
Name: James Downing
Vehicle Year: 2005
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Aftermarket Locker
Rank: Expedition Guide

by ErikSS » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:01 pm

JamesDowning wrote:In theory, your wheel still travels the same distance per rotation no matter the pressure. Now there may be some tread scrubbing and as a result minor rpm differences when such a drastic difference is present, but I do not believe there would be a major drive line bind.


I can't say I agree. If the distance between the center of the wheel and the ground changes, the circumference must also have changed.
It's not how fast you go. It's how quick you get there. Lifted TBSS Build
User avatar
ErikSS
Lifer
 
Posts: 2044
Joined: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:23 pm
Location: IL, Flossmoor
Name: Erik
Vehicle Year: 2008
Vehicle: Chevrolet TrailBlazer
DriveTrain: 4WD w/ Limited Slip
Rank: Offroad Rated

Next

Return to Wheels / Tires